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Thanks for info everyone. Since I have not found any Red Flags so far, I need to study my SO and my Weak Points. We both have been divorced long time, had SAME jobs, address, phone numbers, bank accounts, etc. many years. To me this would say, Stable people. We talked 11 months before I went to China, and got engaged, April 3 weeks. We have Patience. I thought our Weak Points were, only 1 trip to China, and $$ close to minimum, Wrong. Our, Downfall, was not communicating good with what is in the Kitchen Sink. All the folders had Simple Cover Letters, colored tabs, EOR letter simple with a couple of little thumbnail photos, good cummunacating logs and samples. All info very easy for the VO to read and understand.
Problem, my SO did not understand or remember some of the information. I do not remember some of the info, and I have spent a lot of hours preparing the info.
Sorry to hear about your denial, we are in the same boat, we are waiting for our case to be returned to USCIS now. Our case was filed at the Vermont SC also, when I receive any further information I will pass this on to you and maybe this can help you out. Good Luck
Believe it or not, that one question was enough for the VO to decide that you 2 weren't getting the visa that day. When my wife went for her K-1 last year (our first try at getting the visa) when the VO asked her what was my job she tried telling him that I drove a particular piece of equipment but there was no word for that in Chinese so she told him I drove a 'car'. He then asked her which post office I worked at and she couldn't remember the name and that was what she told him. He then pulled out a white slip and our Hell began.
This time when she went back for our CR-1 interview she knew how to say the equipment's name in English AND the name of the office I worked at. They DID ask her these questions again as well as several others they had asked at the K-1 which she had answered correctly back then. But, the interview this time was conducted in English as they rope-a-doped her last time by conducting it in Chinese, and they had an interpreter there as a witness that she did not speak in English.
You could go the K-1 route again but to tell you the truth I would do the CR-1. I think it sends a stronger message to the consulate AND in the end it is cheaper.
I DO believe the one question did it. Days before the interview, my SO talked about she was going shopping to buy something to put on here Mother's headstone, since 27 December, 2006 was the anniversary of her Mother's passing away. At that moment I knew the Interview was in Trouble. I told her that her Mother had passed away in November 2007. 2007 is on the document. We had talked about this months ago, when she did not remember the date. I showed her a picture of the headstone, but no date on the stone. I DO believe if I am not with her at least a week before the next Interview to coach her, failure will be the outcome. The problem I have now is try to get an Interview date other than the Hot months. I would not survive the heat. I had a couple of difficult warm days in April there. Could not breath. Hanging in there. Bob.....
..Is it possible that your SO was talking about the lunar date instead of the calendar date of her mom's passing? Many times in the past when my wife and I were discussing specific dates we had this problem where she was referencing a lunar date and I was talking about the calendar date. They are about a month apart...
But you are right in that a big key to passing the interview is your preparation of your Hunnie. We started about 3 months before the interview going over all possible questions and answers they could ask, and I remember at the time thinking..."This is too soon. I only need to begin doing this about a month before." Well, I was wrong. In the end I was glad we started when we did and it took that long to get my wife up to snuff on not only the information and answers, but to ALSO get her to answer quickly, accurately and in a convincing manner like she KNEW the information and wasn't guessing at the answer.
There is more to the preparation than the correctness of the response and I try to relay to people that HOW you answer is just as important as WHAT you answer with.
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Ithink we are in good shape. Only thing I worry about is a blue slip delay if they want my Tax info from this year, but I hope they just take my co-sponser
Robert, I don't think the VOs ask for the past year's taxes until at least April 15th when they're due at the IRS. They know that the W-2s aren't even mailed out until Jan 31st at the latest, and most people don't file right away.
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If what i am thinking is right the police report is good for one year so we don't need to get new one unless AP takes a more than 3 or 4 months. Yes, side effects like that could really sneak up and bite a couple. Thanks , if not for all you people and forums like this most people would really be going through this process blind. Yes that includes me too. If nothing else this extra uncertainty of waiting in AP has brought me and my fianc¨¦ even closer. Happy New year to all.
About the only positive thing I can readily think of that the visa process does for a couple is it does serve to bring the couple closer and make their bond that much tighter. I'm sure SOME of that is by design on the part of the government but their reasons for making the process as lengthy as it is are probably more self-serving...
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Thanks for info everyone. Since I have not found any Red Flags so far, I need to study my SO and my Weak Points. We both have been divorced long time, had SAME jobs, address, phone numbers, bank accounts, etc. many years. To me this would say, Stable people. We talked 11 months before I went to China, and got engaged, April 3 weeks. We have Patience. I thought our Weak Points were, only 1 trip to China, and $$ close to minimum, Wrong. Our, Downfall, was not communicating good with what is in the Kitchen Sink. All the folders had Simple Cover Letters, colored tabs, EOR letter simple with a couple of little thumbnail photos, good cummunacating logs and samples. All info very easy for the VO to read and understand.
Problem, my SO did not understand or remember some of the information. I do not remember some of the info, and I have spent a lot of hours preparing the info.
Sorry to hear about your denial, we are in the same boat, we are waiting for our case to be returned to USCIS now. Our case was filed at the Vermont SC also, when I receive any further information I will pass this on to you and maybe this can help you out. Good Luck
Believe it or not, that one question was enough for the VO to decide that you 2 weren't getting the visa that day. When my wife went for her K-1 last year (our first try at getting the visa) when the VO asked her what was my job she tried telling him that I drove a particular piece of equipment but there was no word for that in Chinese so she told him I drove a 'car'. He then asked her which post office I worked at and she couldn't remember the name and that was what she told him. He then pulled out a white slip and our Hell began.
This time when she went back for our CR-1 interview she knew how to say the equipment's name in English AND the name of the office I worked at. They DID ask her these questions again as well as several others they had asked at the K-1 which she had answered correctly back then. But, the interview this time was conducted in English as they rope-a-doped her last time by conducting it in Chinese, and they had an interpreter there as a witness that she did not speak in English.
You could go the K-1 route again but to tell you the truth I would do the CR-1. I think it sends a stronger message to the consulate AND in the end it is cheaper.
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AMEN...............No Visa here. Have not got any details yet, except, my Fiancee could not remember my job title in 1994, "Supervisor/diemaker". I guess I should have filled in, "BOSS".
You could call DOS(202 663 1225) to find out some info on your case. if it was a blue, you will have another chance in GUZ soon. if it was white, I would at least try to email GUZ (http://guangzhou.usembassy-china.org.cn/contactiv.html) to explain your relationship (GUZ more likely would make some note on your case record when you do that, you could also request their supperviser's review on the case, also have your congress office to write to GUZ, the goal by doing these is, if it was white, to keep your case in GUZ, at least you tried, good luck.
Thanks. My Fiancee is on a plane now heading home, so will wait and see what she says, and try to get more info.
Good luck to you guys, I feel your pain.
Don't buy into any garbage about GUZ not giving blue and white slips without a good reason.
Ya sure, ya betcha and I once saw a cow jump over the moon too. 
tsap seui
The problem is to find out what the GUZ thinks is a no no, and do a correction, or we will just be doing a rerun.
Highlander, more than likely you'll have to simply GUESS at what the reason(s) could be since the majority of people don't ever find out why they were denied. There are a whole list of reasons that have been cited by those few folks lucky enough to have gotten some info about their denial, and then you have to rebut or make your best case in defense of these reasons when you put your next petition together.
When my wife told me what questions were asked of her at her CR-1 interview I saw that they were very much the same ones asked of her at her K-1 which then resulted in our white slip. Interestingly enough, she didn't answer those questions incorrectly and excepting one question where I am sure the K-1 VO misunderstood her answer, her answers for the CR-1 were exactly the same. Was the VO just checking up on the answers from the first interview, to see if they were still the same? I don't know, but when I asked her what the VO did each time she responded to his question she said he typed in the computer. This may mean nothing to some folks but I interpret it as possible red flags that had been input into the computer by the K-1 VO, and the CR-1 VO was reviewing those flags, thuis him asking my wife the same questions.
Another item of note was that at the K-1 there was a Chinese girl interpreter present right from the beginning of the interview. The VO had asked my wife if she spoke english and she told him "A little bit" and so he conducted the interview in Chinese. My wife's English ability was more than sufficient to have the K-1 interview in English but I imagine her response gave themn enough doubt that they just did the interview in Chinese.
When she went for the CR-1 nterview they had an interpreter there again from the time she walked up to the window. When the VO asked her this time if she could speak English she left no doubt when she told them, "Yes, I speak English.". The VO then sent the interpreter away, but it was crystal clear that the CR-1 VO had relied on the notes from the K-1 VO to guide the progress of the CR-1 interview.
Lastly, Tsap is absolutely right. Guangzhou really doesn't NEED a reason to deny you. Since their decisions are not subject to review and they're never called upon to explain their rationale for their decisions, they simply decide based on their gut feelings.
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Sorry to hear this, We also received white on Nov 20th, Still waiting for case to be returned to , We were told not to contact Guaungzhou any farther, and wait until case was returned to USA, But I have wrote to them twice and have received a reply, our case will be reveiwed by senior consular before being returned, as far as I know and what I can read from there replies this is still at Guangzhou. Maybe you can try to contact them. Best of luck
I think that is what my lawyer intend to do. thank you for the tip. as far as i know. all the question were answered and we are not missing any documents. that lady did the interview already decide to deny my fiance visa before the interview begin. the whole time she was there. no one gets pink slip from that particular lady. something illegal is going on.
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something was not right as you got white,I dont believe they give denial for no reason.
You need to look at your case carefully, you made mistake somewhare, in documents truth, in preperation, in proof of bonefide, but not just simple mistake to get blue.
I'm sorry to hear of Crazybanana's white, as it bring back a lot of unhappy and disappointed memories for my wife and I.
It's not always a case of doing something wrong or that something was missing in the preparation of the case. The more and more I see white slips, and even blues, coming out of K-1 interviews and then looking at their timelines, I am getting the feeling that the VOs just do not like to see divorces from the US men and then 'quick' relationships ending in marriage plans with the foreign ladies. I believe that the longer a fiancee relationship goes before a K-1 petition is filed, the better the chances of it resulting in a pink slip.
I'm sure that this is not the only reason that whites, and blues, are issued but I think it is a prime reason. Sometimes, there may be a collage of red flag issues that maybe individually do not amount to much but together they present a negative judgement call on the part of the VOs.
Since at the time the interview is conducted there is only a few moments spent on reviewing the case file on the part of the VOs, I think the key is in HOW you present your relationship using the documentation. Once you've passed an acceptable 'time limit'-meaning how long as a K-1 couple you've been together before filing the K-1-the next test is how you've presented your petition and how well it is documented.
The last part of the process is the interview. English ability is a must in the eyes of the VO but just HOW important I think is determined by the individual VO's feelings, and then after that it is demonstrating that the lady has sufficient in-depth knowledge of her intended spouse's family and life.
It's interesting to note that in reviewing the Administrative Decisions for appealed visa petition cases it's been decided that there is NO REQUIREMENT for the beneficiary to demonstrate an in-depth knowledge of the petitioner's life or family history in order to be eligible for a visa, but the non-reviewability of the consular officer's decision simply means that the VO gets to do whatever they feel like doing. Until this 'loophole' is addressed and closed these conflicts will continue to occur and more couples will get white and blue slips.
Crazybanana, don't get too upset over the white slip they gave you. You've got nothing on your hands but time now as you wait for the next developments in your case, so figure out a Plan B and then put it into action. More waiting may be exactly what the VOs decided your relationship needs before they 'grant' you the visa. I personally would not wait for the petition to be returned to the USCIS nor would I waste my time asking my congressional reps to help because you're wasting YOUR time-they can and will not do anything of substance for you. Think seriously about ging back and getting married-and NOT in a month or two, make it a little bit longer-and then sit down and try to determine some of the other possibilities why they could have decided to white you.
There are plenty of folks here on CFL who have been the recipients of white slips and they know better than any of the others how to look at your case with a practiced eye to sniff out the possible reasons the VO didn't want to give you a pink slip. Any of these folks will help you-PM them and pick their brains. Best of all, this help is free!
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Looks like we have two tomorrow. Good luck to you and Crazybanana
Scott and Crazy, good luck tomorrow, all in December will be pink, it is gods way to bless christmas
Let's GO Scott and Crazybanana!!! PINK it must be to keep the train rolling!!!!
Merry Christmas to one and all!!!
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We got the pink baby!!!!!!! Yeah!! Scott you're up next!!! Bring home the pink!!!!
Man this is GREAT! Louis got his pink too and now Tom is up at bat! THINK POSITIVE!! Congrats to all!!!
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Just received the pink slip this morning.
CONGRATS to BSLS!!!! Great work!! The worst part is over and now you can concentrate on more meaningful things!!!
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Hi all,
Could anyone give any input to our blue slip in terms of how to provide the documents Guz requested:
* Provide as much evidence of correspondence that you can that demonstrates the development of your relationship, from initial stages until the current date. Examples include letters, remittance slips, e-mails, and chat sessions.
--We don't use email nor letters because we mostly communicate by phone. I am not sure what to give them.
* A detailed statement, written by the petitioner, describing the evolution of your relationship. Be sure to, at the very least, explain how you met, when you started dating, and how, when and why you became engaged.
--I think this is the letter of evolution
* A statement, written by the petitioner, listing every trip s/he has taken to China to visit you and explain how you spent your time together. Include dates and locations. Explain who arranged his/her trip China, purchased his/her tickets and who accompanied him/her.
* Submit the plane tickets your petitioner used to visit you. As applicable, submit travel agency documents. Who paid for the plane tickets? Show evidence of this, such as a credit card statement or bank statements with the relevant withdrawals highlighted.
* Photots of your wedding ceremony or celebration. If you did not celebrate, or you celebrated but didn't take photos, submit a credible explanation.
--We didn't celebrate. The reason was her relatives are mostly out to work in other towns. (Is this a a credible explanation?)
Please help. Thank you,
Ricky
So far everyone has given you great advice on how to overcome the Blue Slip. You're lucky-a year ago this would probably have been a White Slip. Read their requested items carefully and give them exactly what they are asking for-and anything that can't be provided for whatever reason, explain it to them as you've explained it here. Have your written statements notarized, if at all possible.
It's not unusual that the gal has the items at the time of the interview but the VO refuses to look at the evidence then and there. Even though this is a delay it is a better turn of events for you because you now have the time to add to and organize your submissions. Be methodical as you go down that list of requested evidence, and everything will turn out fine!
Good Luck!
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Do ya think all the V.O.s were forced to watch the Grinch marathon and then Scrooge? Or maybe they were visited by a higher authority?
You know "SANTA", only coal if the V.O. don't issue PINK.
Gary
Yeah Gary, you might be right about the VOs being forced to watch the Grinch and Scrooge!
Let's all give Bigslugandlittleslug a hearty round of applause for the PINK we know they're going to get!!! They're going to keep the PINK DRIVE ALIVE!!!
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Maybe they have put all interviews on hold because of the upcomming renovations
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they might be waiting for the Seahawks to win a game
My dear friend patience is a virtue.
HEY! I just remembered...what happened to those Giants?
STFU
LOL, don't be a Hater! I'll make room on the bus just for you!
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Someone can delete this post. I made a mistake and thought Michael got pink. Got confused for a bit, but finally figured it out (just woke up/late night). Sorry about this guys.
Make that mistake again Kyle, and Robert will take away your doughnuts!
thanks, i keep praying, and thanks for the candle, what a great bunch of caring people, I wish I could meet all of you.
Tom, I think one of the best things you can do is to keep drilling her on the questions. For us, I began asking Joey the questions about 2 months before our CR-1 interview and I'm glad I started that early because it took a while for her to be able to answer correctly and quickly.
In the end, most of the questions asked this time were the same as those asked at our K-1 interview. It wasn't that she had answered incorrectly at the K-1, save for possibly one, but I believe that how slowly and unconvincingly she may have answered them was the cause of our denial.
If you keep going over the questions and answers she will gain confidence, and I really believe that is important for her to be able to do well overall at the interview.
Good Luck!!!
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Did the OP say they did not send in Tax returns, W2, bank/finance records and the statement that he was currently employed before he lost the job? If not, then this is going to come up no matter what and he'll need a joint sponsor.
In our case I sent the financial support docs in July 2008. Found out I was going to lose my job in Oct 2008. My fiancee's second interview was around December 2008.
They didn't ask if my employment status had changed and we didn't volunteer that information.
The right tactic is always to just answer truthfully whatever is asked, but never volunteer any information, especially if it is a negative.
After getting the K1 visa and entering into the US we got married after 60 days or so.
I was hoping to find a new job before filing for AOS and was really worried about her being granted the 2 year conditional.
I even posted here about joint sponsors and asked family and friends to help me sponsor my wife and was shocked and had several people flat out turn me down in being a joint sponsor. It made me realize if I ever needed a kidney or something I was probably screwed.
To be honest, that was one of the most painful experiences during this entire process and ever now, months later I'm still pissed when I seriously think about it.
I filed AOS by myself and used unemployment income, current savings, investments, etc., as my backing. We were actually called in for a face to face interview, but the lady said we looked fine and we passed AOS without a joint sponsor.
I do agree with the others. You really don't want your fiancee to come here and realize you are out of work and didn't tell her.
In fact, you're far better off telling her and seeing if she is supportive or has a fit. My wife knew a long, long time ago when I first suspected I may lose my job, so she knew what to expect.
Very sage advice!!
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As long as she has the custody (fu yan quan)
fu yang quan (¸§ÑøȨ)
...yes....fu yang quanYou MIGHT possibly be looking at a DNA test required by the consulate to establish that she actually is a birth parent...
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Maybe they have put all interviews on hold because of the upcomming renovations
or
they might be waiting for the Seahawks to win a game
My dear friend patience is a virtue.
HEY! I just remembered...what happened to those Giants?
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Someone can delete this post. I made a mistake and thought Michael got pink. Got confused for a bit, but finally figured it out (just woke up/late night). Sorry about this guys.
Make that mistake again Kyle, and Robert will take away your doughnuts!
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This is the link to the Complaint narrative along with a link to some of the appendices contained in Mr. Roth's writings.
Splinterman
If you're looking for information or assistance with your petition, visit this website:
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Just wanted to drop by qiuckly and say we got PINK!
Now just waiting to pick up the visa,and of course it wasn't ready today when the Consulate said it would be ready....
I'll post the details when I get back to the states next week.
Good luck to everyone else and thanks for all the well wishes.
WAY TO GO, GIS!!!!! Congratulations on your PINK and the beginning of your new life together!!!!
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If I understand you correctly your wife doesn't know you are currently unemployed? Bad way to start off a marriage concealing something so important. Many Chinese have an unrealistic view of what life is like in the US as it is. I strongly believe that your sweet heart has the right to see as clearly as possible every aspect of your financial situation. Before my wife came here I laid everything out. How much money coming in and how much going out. How much things cost etc. I've seen too many instances where men have deceived women about their financial situation only to come here and find themselves in poverty.
I agree with Warpedboard. It's the right thing to do to let your sweetheart know what she is walking into before she reaches the door. And, if the ConOff DOES find out about you not having a job and he/she asks your wife about it and she gives them the wrong answer, it could possibly become more than just a simple hidden fact-it can be misinterpreted and become a misrepresentation in your file. That would screw any future chances for getting a visa.
Don't take that chance.
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Finally! Rachel's, and Jenny's, visa are in their hands!
Rachel went into the Consulate on Tuesday (12/08) afternoon, to present the call-in letter and passports. She was instructed to come back on Wednesday afternoon, where they gave her the Pink Slip, and she made arrangements for the passports to be delivered to the Post Office by EMS. She picked up the package on Friday morning, and flew back home on Friday afternoon.
Rachel spent four nights in Guangzhou, and the poor girl was absolutely bored to tears.
The plan now is for me to fly to Shanghai on February 12th, spend a week with the family,
then the three of us will fly to the US on February 20. 
It's a 10 week countdown, until Lao Po and Ni Ni Tou are finally here! It's time to end this year long separation! Congratulations-what wonderful news! Doesn't it feel great to finally see an end to all the waiting?
As Tom Petty says, "The waiting is the hardest part."
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Hello all,
Sorry long time no write but have been very busy with teaching in China and spending lots of time with my wife. Have now almost 250 photos on my face book of all the places I have been to in China in the last 4 months I have been in China.
Yesterday I got an email that we have been approved for electronic filing for my wife's visa.
GZU number issued, so hopefully it will not take too much longer.
John
Well, now it's time to pay those fees and transmit all your documents to the NVC (in PDF format) so you can get your show on the road! Congratulations-each step you take brings you closer to the ultimate prize! That visa!!
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Here is my GUZ experience: I went to the ACH and talk to the VO about she wanted her interview part English and part Chinese she was very nervous about having the interview in all English. The VO asks me how we communicate and told me I should write a letter about how we talk to each other. I also went to ACS to get my relationship letter notarized. We stayed at the Yang¡¯s the first few days. They are great people. They found a mistake on my paper work. I really think we would have received a blue paper for that mistake. We changed hotel after a few days. The rooms were not as nice as I am use to. If I had to do this over again. I WOULD STAY AT THE YANG¡¯S THE HELP IS PRICELESS. I thought my paper work was all right but they know about K1 visa¡¯s
I got this information for the interview in Chinese and a friend translated it for me except for the first couple of questions, Here is what she wrote >>> I went to the counter and the lady asked me how do I know my fianc¨¦e, she ask how many times Bruce went to China and where does he work she ask me if I had any pictures I gave her those, she looked at everyone of them very carefully, and I didn¡¯t ask me any question. I gave her my passport Bruce¡¯s and driver¡¯s license she ask me how many children he had, what are their name, twice she gave me another name, and ask me who that was, I said I don't know, she read it letter by letter, I thought about it, and said I don't know, she stopped asking, and showed me the picture, I thought she might had a wrong file, Bruce told me she was testing afterwards. I was at window 26, she is pretty, and maybe I think that because she let me pass my interview. The interview today was pretty easy, but the waiting was very nervous, the good thing is I was sitting by a sister. We were both comforting each other, even sang songs together to make us not as nervous. And we both got our pink. I didn't use any words I memorized, the visa officer asked me when we met before I even put down all my documents, and she asked me twice, and I guess the question and answered. And she changed to Chinese. Last question: why do you like him, I answered in English and Chinese, then she typed for one minute, and told me I passed. I told her thank you many times, she said you are welcome. When I was putting everything together, I found out that I still have my passport; I asked her, do you need my passport? She took it. I was waiting in the coffee shop for her. We got her visa back on Thursday her interview was on Monday. I was so glad I went to Guz for the interview because she was so nervous and I know it help by me being there. Her confidence grew the week I was there before the interview. Going to the US was something that was priceless watching her at the airport she was nervous I told her they will not sent you back to China, do not worry. I am so glad this part is over.
Thanks again for everyone¡¯s help on this site
CONGRATS, Smokie! It's a GREAT feeling, isn't it? I'm happy for you guys!!
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Congratulations to all the couples who got pink!!
I'll get pink too.
Yes, BSLS, you WILL!! The power of positive thinking cannot be underestimated!!!
And the lucky rabbit's foot doesn't hurt, either...
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Congratulations on your pink slip success and the beginning of a beautiful life together!!