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If we were in a bar and you said that to me, I'd punch ya out. If you want to earn any respect from members here, the place to start is by showing it to others. Like saying you'd punch them out for no reason.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090530/ap_on_...n_on_the_fourth Good article. "They are not told how communist authorities finally silenced the dissent with deadly force, killing hundreds." But Red Cross said thousands. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090528/wl_nm/...ananmen_youth_2 "The Yangtse Evening Post reported earlier this month that in the relatively affluent eastern province of Jiangsu, 46 university graduates had applied for jobs as public toilet attendants, such was the state of the labor market. "Better to be a 'toilet master' than unemployed at home," it cited one of the applicants as saying."

The book is not just about Tiananman, it spans a three year period of economic reform and its roots. That was Zhao's strength. Deng got the credit for Zhao's work. The Tiananman massacre is a small part of Zhao's book. Therefore few could tell you what Zhao actually said without a lot of background reading. http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/ED471/12554485.JPG

I like the "who was who" section at the end too.

Zhao was exiled only once until he was purged in 1989 for life, according to the books.

In the preface to PRISONER OF THE STATE it says

America should do something about the deadly coal mines here too.

SO's mama made Zong Zi for the family and saved some for me. I think she likes me! I told the SO that I wanted to learn how to make it and bao from her mama. SO laughed, "I buy it at the store, mother makes it by hand."

Actually that is pretty normal at times, not freaky. The Chinese people in general do not have access to the kind of media like here. Some speculate that is why Tank Man and other things are not widely known in China. In the Zhao book it mentions that. He kind of knew his memoir would be read more in the West than in his own country.

Joanne, peace to you. Yes, truth is transient. History is in control of those who write it. Do you know Renee Chiang? She is a co-editor of this book and was a teacher in Beijing in 1989. And do you really think the publishers of this book are anti-China and why? Is it about New Century Press in Hong Kong? If you prefer not to answer here or via PM that is fine. I am not able to answer your question, because I don't know the truth.Okay. The book says she was a teacher in 1989 in Beijing. She is the English editor of the book and Bao Pu is the publisher and editor, both of New Century Press in Hong Kong. That is why I asked about them. Bao Pu, it says is an activist. After reading this I am looking forward to the Chinese version and hoping that the actual audio will be released.

Joanne, peace to you. Yes, truth is transient. History is in control of those who write it. Do you know Renee Chiang? She is a co-editor of this book and was a teacher in Beijing in 1989. And do you really think the publishers of this book are anti-China and why? Is it about New Century Press in Hong Kong? If you prefer not to answer here or via PM that is fine.

This book by Zhao Ziyang is fantastic!

So was my SO. Hence what I said about not all Chinese agree on the account that Ziyang was a failure and responsible for the military crackdown in Beijing. Many, many think just the opposite, that Ziyang had a great career and did the most in the government to stop the crackdown. Joanne can have her opinion but can I just ask a couple questions? I did not call insult her, did not take anything out of context, etc. Just asked questions. Thanks for the welcome.

"I would be interested in your knowledge that this book is funded by, like people in your family, who are in anti-Chinese organizations. [/b]Your post reads rather biased." Seems rather confrontational to me. Perhaps you neglected to read that she said "I have no doubt the publication of this book about Zhao is funded by organizations supported by anti-China.... I have a relative who is an activist in one of those groups." Apologize for asking an appropriate question? What kind of place is this?

I should say that I am only half way through the memoir and while I have read many many books and have had many conversations with people about him, this book from his own mouth is quite relevatory. Mostly because it is from him, others have said much of the same. I'd recommend it for anyone who is interested in the inner workings of the government and insight into the figures at that time. Quite the pageturner.