Joecy Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 This question has always been on my mind. I met so many Chinese women who held professional jobs in China, who were well educated and spoke good English, couldn't find equivalent jobs in the US. Why? You have to tell me your reason. For me, I didn't have the confidence. I had trouble understand fast American English; I had trouble communicating to American, How would I work in a local company that requires communication? That was my greatest doubt for myself. So how do we picked up our confidence again? Is there a pathway for Chinese ladies to adjust, learn and prepare themselves for a professional job in the US? That was also my question? I like to hear your thoughts too - what do you do, when you lost all your confidence? - what do you do, when you became a completely foreigner in a strange country? I started a quest to find that pathway for Chinese women. I would like to share my findings along the way. Everyone, please chime in. Have you tried a Immigrant Job Replacement Agency? 1. They match entry level jobs for all immigrants coming from different countries. 2. You need a green card, and driver license. 3. Their career consultant might speaks English. These consultant were once immigrants themselves. 4. Are you willing to lower your expectations? Say work in a Casio for $12 per hour? 5. They also offer training for small business owners. A lot of their women business owners do trading with their home countries. I went to one in Philadelphia and interviewed them. Here's the details : English Version: http://en.youmayus.org/NewsShow.asp?id=400 Chinese version: http://www.youmayus.org/NewsShow.asp?id=384 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danb Posted February 4, 2015 Report Share Posted February 4, 2015 Joecy, Hello. They can be many reasons for not finding a job. I think some may be specific to being Chinese and some are in general in nature. They say that finding a job today economy is not so easy. Before, job seekers would not have to submit so many applications for a job to at least get an interview. Nowdays I heard that one should be wiling to submit 50 + applications /resumes to just get a couple of interview. It is a tough job market out there. Perhaps a casino job would not be so bad. There may be opportunities to advance there. Why? Because the casino at least in the Northeast hire a fair amount of Asians. Why? Probably because there are so many Asians customers who like to gamble and visit casinos. That is an opportunity. It opens doors in the casino organizations. They need all sort of help. They need dealers, floor people, host, chefs, restaurant people, hotel people, management, etc. As far as pay I think with time that those casino people can do much better than 12 dollars an hour. As they gain and establish a work history at the casino, they also may open other jobs outside the casino. I enjoyed reading that article that you posted. English ( communication) has to be one of most important requirements for getting a job in the US. i wish everyone luck find a job. Danb PS: If is there is a large Asian employee base. What would be a good service(s) to supply to those Chinese and Asian employees? What kind would be the best? A bar, a certain type of restaurant, barbershop, travel agent, housing, business? What would you suggest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Confidence must be the key here. My ex was very, well she knew she was the best at what she did. But her English was not good talking to others. I thought it was good at the time, but had to admit later, that it was pretty horrible. She had many phone interviews, then finally it came together that the right recruiter, and the right interviewer talked slow at a company and she got hired as a job shopper, contract employee, meaning temporary, but high paid doing what she always did before. It lasted 2 years, with the last year working form home. Her confidence could go to arrogance, yet the MAGIC happened so the right people talked slow enough that the interviews went well. Maybe living in the South helped, because we talk slower, generally. She still speaks rough English, but a VP at a bank. And working with Indians, whose English she really struggles with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catherineli Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Confidence must be the key here. My ex was very, well she knew she was the best at what she did. But her English was not good talking to others. I thought it was good at the time, but had to admit later, that it was pretty horrible. She had many phone interviews, then finally it came together that the right recruiter, and the right interviewer talked slow at a company and she got hired as a job shopper, contract employee, meaning temporary, but high paid doing what she always did before. It lasted 2 years, with the last year working form home. Her confidence could go to arrogance, yet the MAGIC happened so the right people talked slow enough that the interviews went well. Maybe living in the South helped, because we talk slower, generally. She still speaks rough English, but a VP at a bank. And working with Indians, whose English she really struggles with.Doug, may I ask what you mean by saying "rough English"? Do you mean rude, or bad grammar or too fast without rhythm? I totally agree with you that arrogant is not welcome in any culture. What did she do before, in China? You also say "her English was not good talking to others", would you please share specifically what is "not good to others"? These are important lessons for other Chinese women to learn. Thank you in advance, Doug. lol, I sometimes spell your name as Dough, but I know you're not flour to make bread with , have a laughing day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnoblett Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 I believe what is meant by "rough English" tend to be Grammar, another term is Chinglish which is using Chinese grammar with English words. My wife's spoken English is good, she has the confidence to converse even to the point she can act as receptionist at most places she has worked. Every place she has worked tend to have a Chinese staff and she gets tasked with greeting clients and answering the phone. Where my wife is weak is written English, when writing a formal letter or email to someone it tends to be overly formal with honorifics, so she tends to have me proof read her stuff where I then rewrite the letter and have her reread it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joecy Posted February 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 You guys are so funny! Hi Doug, thanks for sharing, very interesting! What is a job shopper?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joecy Posted February 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) Perhaps a casino job would not be so bad. There may be opportunities to advance there. Why? Because the casino at least in the Northeast hire a fair amount of Asians. Why? Probably because there are so many Asians customers who like to gamble and visit casinos. That is an opportunity. It opens doors in the casino organizations. They need all sort of help. They need dealers, floor people, host, chefs, restaurant people, hotel people, management, etc. As far as pay I think with time that those casino people can do much better than 12 dollars an hour. As they gain and establish a work history at the casino, they also may open other jobs outside the casino. Hi danb, Such good insight! I enjoy reading your comments! I do agree casinos offer pretty good job opportunities for Chinese women. They need Chinese ladies to welcome many Chinese tourists, that was actually what the interviewer told me. The funny thing is , mainland China don't allow casinos, people had no experience working in a casinos. Well, almost everyone watched that HK movie about Chow Yun Fat(Zhou Rui Fa) as the lord of gambler, but that's it. A job in a casino seems surreal. Maybe this is a culture thing. What's the American's impression for people work at casinos? Edited February 5, 2015 by Joecy (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joecy Posted February 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 PS: If is there is a large Asian employee base. What would be a good service(s) to supply to those Chinese and Asian employees? What kind would be the best? A bar, a certain type of restaurant, barbershop, travel agent, housing, business? What would you suggest?mmmmm, good questions!!!! They almost have everything in Chinatown, I guess. I heard Chinese can live in California without speaking English.The Midwest and people outside of Chinatown don't have those lucks. The Chinese women that I'm focusing on are college educated who has basic English skills. Something for them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 You guys are so funny! Hi Doug, thanks for sharing, very interesting! What is a job shopper?? When a professional person works on contract, rather than being a real employee. The company makes a contract with them for a year or 6 months. If they like them and still have work for them to do, they will renew the contract, if that person wants to stay. Generally it is their way of hiring a temporary worker. Other times it is to get highly skilled workers, because many very highly skilled people want to make the high pay a contract worker gets. Also when more than 50 miles from home they can get their pay divided, where a portion of it is considered per diem which is tax free money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Confidence must be the key here. My ex was very, well she knew she was the best at what she did. But her English was not good talking to others. I thought it was good at the time, but had to admit later, that it was pretty horrible. She had many phone interviews, then finally it came together that the right recruiter, and the right interviewer talked slow at a company and she got hired as a job shopper, contract employee, meaning temporary, but high paid doing what she always did before. It lasted 2 years, with the last year working form home. Her confidence could go to arrogance, yet the MAGIC happened so the right people talked slow enough that the interviews went well. Maybe living in the South helped, because we talk slower, generally. She still speaks rough English, but a VP at a bank. And working with Indians, whose English she really struggles with.Doug, may I ask what you mean by saying "rough English"? Do you mean rude, or bad grammar or too fast without rhythm? I totally agree with you that arrogant is not welcome in any culture. What did she do before, in China? You also say "her English was not good talking to others", would you please share specifically what is "not good to others"? These are important lessons for other Chinese women to learn. Thank you in advance, Doug. lol, I sometimes spell your name as Dough, but I know you're not flour to make bread with , have a laughing day! She has some pretty bad chinglish, is what I mean. She was in IT, or a programmer, and later a DBA, data base administrator. Apparently she is pretty hot shot and was her companies #1 in China, a high tech software company, doing whole bank systems and some military. Had to get special permission just to come to the USA because of her skills. I forget what that delay is called, in the visa process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catherineli Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 The reason I'm asking you about her job history, Doug, is that she does well being VIP at a bank of the USA. Now that she speaks "rough" English, I feel English skill may not take the first place in pursuing some career. thanks for the information, Doug!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amberjack1234 Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 I am glad that you finally got up with Doug. He kinda floats in and out of here but always comes back and he has a lot of information and experience with this. Doug is a good ole boy. Now Doug won't be able to get his head through the door any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 I am glad that you finally got up with Doug. He kinda floats in and out of here but always comes back and he has a lot of information and experience with this. Doug is a good ole boy. Now Doug won't be able to get his head through the door any more. Now Larry?.... :D I'm trying to pep talk here Ladies, just keep the confidence up. If you know how to do something, just keep going for it with confidence. Tackle the big challenges and learn from your mistakes in interviews. I just never knew that woman to get very, if any, set back from not landing a job. She just set out for the next one. She may have felt a little blue every time she didn't win, but that lasted just an hour or two, Her aim was always for the job she wanted, and the pay she expected, which was high. She had no doubt about her worth in a particular job. Incredible in many ways, watching it unfold in front of me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Larry, how about your lady? After all she helped with your business yes??? What an example! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amberjack1234 Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) Doug she spoke almost perfect english but our problem was we lived in a small town of about 7,000 people when she came here. Now it has grown to 15,000 in just 15 years. So not much of a chance for her to get a decent job. Even with a masters degree. As you know I started the small engine repair shop at first and then graduated to the bigger money in jet ski sales and repair. Man you would really be surprised how much money those guys make but I can tell you one thing they earn every dime of it. I worked 12 hours a day 7 days a week for 12 years. I have retired again now after the problems with my eyes. I thought that was a good time to stop. She handled all the book keeping once I taught her how it was done the American way, did all the ordering, following up on back orders, searching for the best prices that we could get for parts so that we could make more money, answering the phone, payroll for the guys that worked for us, talking to the customers and of course the most important part collecting the MONEY. She had never even seen a lawnmower when she got here let a lone a jet ski. In a couple of years she knew as much about how to repair them as I did but she didn't do that. We soon quit the lawnmowers once we got set up with the jet ski repairs. You can make 30 times more money working on jet ski's than you can lawnmowers. You know lawnmowers are work and jet ski's are fun, right. She would greet the customers and diagnose their jet ski's and give them an estimate for the repairs, pay the quarterly taxes etc, etc. You know all the stuff that goes with a business. She would have 4 or 5 lined up at a time. I remember once she told one that was blowing his horn he was so impatient the he would have to wait his turn just like every body else and payed him no more mind. She kept us working because when we quit the money quit too. She was VERY seldom wrong with her diagnosis too. Oh, the business was all in her name. Edited February 11, 2015 by amberjack1234 (see edit history) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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