Malaysia to China plane missing (MH-370)

[dnoblett]

The Rush Limbaugh theory. A hostile country shot it down and no one wants to admit their mistake?

 

http://youtu.be/gCuupB8YvJ4

[dnoblett]

Here is a shocking incident, sounds like the pilot or pilots had a habit of inviting passengers to fly in cockpit, a crazy lack of security and protocol, the cockpit should be locked during flight to prevent hijackings.

 

http://youtu.be/_EvA97GKC7g

[tsap seui]

Here is a shocking incident, sounds like the pilot or pilots had a habit of inviting passengers to fly in cockpit, a crazy lack of security and protocol, the cockpit should be locked during flight to prevent hijackings.

 

http://youtu.be/_EvA97GKC7g

San, that was the very incident I was sarcastically referring to when I made this comment up in post #58.

 

Good luck to the passengers and their families from that missing plane. Lord knows what the hell happened on that flight. Maybe one of the first pilots girlfriends knocked off the transponder and pushed the yolk to it's most forward position while she was lap dancing the pilot. Cowboys belong on horses or in gunships, not flying commercial airliners.

If that pilot and his buddy had a coupla Aussie Sheilas up in the cockpit on that flight to Australia, how many other breaches do ya reckon he/they have made?

Man, this Twilight Zone flight has sure brought to light many odd twists and turns of an apparently broken system those folks are running in Kuala Lumpur. Stolen passport jackals easily getting on the flight, first officer with Sheilas in his cockpit on another flight, a plane that mysteriously loses it's transponder, a plane that possibly turned around and never contacted anyone, passenger's cell phones that ring on, etc....One ton of very strange coincidences for a single flight. I hope they find the passengers on some remote island off of India.

tsap seui

[Thomas Promise]

Piracy theory gains more credence in mystery of missing Flight MH 370.

Piracy and pilot suicide are among the scenarios under study as investigators grow increasingly certain the missing Malaysia Airlines jet changed course and headed west after its last radio contact with air traffic controllers.
The latest evidence suggests the plane didn't experience a catastrophic incident over the South China Sea as was initially suspected. Some experts theorize that one of the pilots, or someone else with flying experience, hijacked the plane or committed suicide by plunging the jet into the sea.

 

http://www.aol.com/article/2014/03/14/missing-plane-piracy-theory-gains-more-credence/20850351/?icid=maing-grid7%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D454115

[Randy W]

from the New York Times

 

 

But the person who examined the data said it left little doubt that the airliner flew near or through the southern tip of Thailand, then back across Peninsular Malaysia, near the city of Penang, and out over the sea again. That is in part because the data is based on signals recorded by two radar stations, at the Royal Malaysian Air Force’s Butterworth base on the peninsula’s west coast, near Penang, and at Kota Bharu, on the northeast coast. Two radars tracking a contact can significantly increase the reliability of the readings. . . .

Military radar last recorded the aircraft flying at an altitude of 29,500 feet, about 200 miles northwest of Penang and headed toward India’s Andaman Islands. The normal cruising altitude of a long-range commercial jetliner is between 30,000 and 40,000 feet.

The investigators considered but dismissed the possibility that hijackers landed the plane somewhere for later use in a terrorist attack, according to a senior American official briefed on the investigation.

The data, the official said, “leads them to believe that it either ran out of fuel or crashed right before it ran out of fuel.”

It would take a long runway to land a plane of that size, the official said. Although the radius that the plane could have flown extends into South Asia, the official added, “the idea it could cross into Indian airspace and not get picked up made no sense.”

Edited July 14, 2017 by Randy W (see edit history)

[Randy W]

the U.S.' role in the investigation, from the NYT

 

U.S. Takes Back Seat in Malaysian Jet Inquiry

 

The board sends investigators to the scenes of remote crashes many times a year. Sometimes the accident is of more interest to the United States than to the country where it occurred — for example, the crashes of American-flagged cargo planes in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia, or of an American Airlines flight from Miami to Cali, Colombia.

But many foreign governments do not feel themselves as obligated as American agencies do to tell the public what they know. And the safety board’s practice is to be seen to abide scrupulously by the international agreements that give it access to such investigations.

“The N.T.S.B. wants to be as supportive as possible and not ruffle feathers,” said Peter Goelz, a former managing director of the agency.

 

[dnoblett]

Looking more and more like a hijacking.

 

http://youtu.be/FNbeKU4pJmc

 

I am surprised pilots were unaware that RR engines send data to the company while running.

This documentary about the trent engine explains it's diagnostic satellite uploads at 43 min.

 

http://youtu.be/VfomloUg2Gw

 

http://youtu.be/VfomloUg2Gw?t=43m

 

It's a bummer that R+R did not think to include a GPS receiver in the engine and include coordinates in the data uplink, GPS would be an extra chip in the box, and be as simple as what you find in everyday smartphone or navigator.

[Steve in USA]

Has this been ruled out?

 

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LZ5ALFLwtK8/UiPiy3b1g4I/AAAAAAAAykk/nkCLKTQQnSg/s1600/richardmatheson_fullsize_story1.jpg

[tsap seui]

Has this been ruled out?

 

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LZ5ALFLwtK8/UiPiy3b1g4I/AAAAAAAAykk/nkCLKTQQnSg/s1600/richardmatheson_fullsize_story1.jpg

Steve, the whole damn thing seems to be an episode of the Twilight Zone....dun, dun ta da dun

 

What a mystery this whole thing is turning out to be. I feel sorry for everyone involved.

 

tsap seui

[Randy W]

. . . or a Stephen King movie

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPqML9D4n1g

[ameriken]

Has this been ruled out?

 

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LZ5ALFLwtK8/UiPiy3b1g4I/AAAAAAAAykk/nkCLKTQQnSg/s1600/richardmatheson_fullsize_story1.jpg

 

 

[Randy W]

Has this been ruled out?

 

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LZ5ALFLwtK8/UiPiy3b1g4I/AAAAAAAAykk/nkCLKTQQnSg/s1600/richardmatheson_fullsize_story1.jpg

 

The guy INSIDE the plane is William Shatner

[Guest ExChinaExpat]

http://i61.tinypic.com/6i9oxz.jpg

 

Some calculations concerning satellites communicating with MH370

Malaysian run search and rescue team today (15/3/14) announced a lead in to the fate of MH370 and showed a map indicating some more details about the last known ping communication between the plane and satellites responsible for ACARS monitoring.

From the statements by the Malaysian PM and scrutiny of the map, we can deduce that the location of the plane at that time (8:11am Sat 8/3/14 Malaysian time +08) was at such a point that the INMARSAT IOR, which covers the Indian Ocean and surrounding areas, was at an altitude of 40 degrees above the horizon as viewed from the ping location.

Here is a map of locations which fit that description.

Note that there are some other constraints which rule out locations on the red circle in SE Asia and further to the West than Kazakhstan. See below.

http://www.csse.uwa.edu.au/~mark/personal/MH370/northArc.png.

http://www.csse.uwa.edu.au/~mark/personal/MH370/southArc.png.

Some more explanation

The Malaysian map shows that the SAR team had concluded that the last ping came from somewhere on this 40 degree circle but they ruled out parts of the circle in the far East and also most of the west half of the circle.

A examination of the coverage of the INMARSATs explains this. The last ping must have been picked up by IOR over the Indian Ocean but not by POR over the Pacific or AOR-E over the Atlantic. Hence bits of the red circle are not valid and we end up with the two arcs, also described by the PM as coridoors.

How do we know that the satellite was at an angle of altitude of 40 degrees as viewed from the plane at last ping? Well, that is clearly known to the SAR team as shown by the map. It must have been determined by either 1) ping latency (giving an accurate measure of distance from the satellite), 2) angle of reception by satellite or 3) some distance calculation perhaps based on signal strength. Distance from satellite and angle of altitude can be calculated from each other.

As only one INMARSAT covers this area (and handles ACARS coms), there was no ability to triangulate etc.

How to calculate the circle? The satellite is 35890km above a point at seal level on the equator at 64 degrees east. A little trigonometry will give us that the points we seek are on a circle centred here and with radius about 4840km. That is my red circle.

[Guest ExChinaExpat]

There is an interesting blog between airline pilots that is keeping up with this mystery. It gets quite tekky, but interesting.

 

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost-204.html

[ameriken]

 

Has this been ruled out?

 

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LZ5ALFLwtK8/UiPiy3b1g4I/AAAAAAAAykk/nkCLKTQQnSg/s1600/richardmatheson_fullsize_story1.jpg

 

The guy INSIDE the plane is William Shatner

 

 

 

Not it's not, it's Captain Kirk the Negotiator!!!