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#1 yuehan123

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 01:43 PM

You know- somebody said,

Starting next year (2013) Chinese born naturalized US Citizens will have their local ID cards confiscted based on an "new" system linking Chinese or US Passports to local IDs.

This is just a really bad rumor, right?

#2 dnoblett

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 02:37 PM

Actually quite conceivable. First trip back to China will require a visa in US passport, they will see that they are a new citizen just by the birth location noted in US passport, it is required to send in old Chinese passport when applying for the visa they then invalidate Chinese passport and the national ID number is clearly noted in the Chinese passport.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 04:03 PM

So far my wife has avoided this. She did have to send her passport in with Chinese passport when she got her first visa 3 years ago. When she got her second visa about 10 months ago she didn't have to send in her Chinese passport.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 08:14 AM

Yep, so far...........

We also have avoided the issue. So far. I had hoped to find out if this had any ring of truth to it or, is this another case of ridiculous rumour mongering arising out of 002 or just somebodys' own paranoia.

Of course the deal, if it's to be any kind of deal, big or small, is how will it affect our Chinese born US Citzen wives who are ID based property owners if the local ID is 'suddenly' confiscated.

Of course, the person who told my wife about this could not, and did not provide any reference whatsoever except to say, "Oh, I know it's true, it's been a law for years. It's on all the web sites."

#5 Randy W

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 08:37 AM

Yep, so far...........

We also have avoided the issue. So far. I had hoped to find out if this had any ring of truth to it or, is this another case of ridiculous rumour mongering arising out of 002 or just somebodys' own paranoia.

Of course the deal, if it's to be any kind of deal, big or small, is how will it affect our Chinese born US Citzen wives who are ID based property owners if the local ID is 'suddenly' confiscated.

Of course, the person who told my wife about this could not, and did not provide any reference whatsoever except to say, "Oh, I know it's true, it's been a law for years. It's on all the web sites."


You lose the ID, not the property. In general, someone who OWNS property is allowed to KEEP it - the restrictions are on sales, not on previously existing ownership.
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#6 griz326

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 11:57 PM

Gotta tell my girls so they can investigate and had an informed decision.

#7 Lee VD

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 05:05 PM

Wondering if there is any new information on this? 

Will the ID card be requested and confiscated upon entry or in any other official business if the ID is flagged in someway?

How does Chinese government know that the person has switched to US Citizen?  Can he/she still enter China on Chinese passport? or is it just a matter of risk of being found out?

If one does send in the Chinese passport requesting a visa in a US passport, do they get the Chinese passport back or is it confiscated?

 

Lee



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Posted 04 June 2014 - 07:14 PM

My wife is a US Citizen, this past trip to China she needed to apply for a Two year visit visa to go to China. She was required to send both US and China passport to get the visa, the consulate invalidates the China passport and stamp it void, more than likely the consulate informs China of the citizenship change, invalidating the national ID too.

As for question about travel on China passport. How would traveler leave China? A US citizen no longer has a green card, so would need a US visa in passport, which the US consulate would not issue to a US citizen.

Some have conceived of travel to Homgkong leave US passport in Hongkong and enter China on China passport, and get an entry card to return to HK to then return to the USA. Can be troublesome this way.

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Posted 04 June 2014 - 08:23 PM

Wondering if there is any new information on this? 

Will the ID card be requested and confiscated upon entry or in any other official business if the ID is flagged in someway?

How does Chinese government know that the person has switched to US Citizen?  Can he/she still enter China on Chinese passport? or is it just a matter of risk of being found out?

If one does send in the Chinese passport requesting a visa in a US passport, do they get the Chinese passport back or is it confiscated?

 

Lee

 

Nothing sinister here - if you can manage to keep it, you get to keep it. It then becomes a matter of HIDING the American passport from the Chinese authorities. There's no channel between the two governments for them to find out, other than by you actually using it.

 

When a former Chinese citizen gets a visa in a new American passport, the old Chinese passport must be submitted. It is then voided and returned with the American passport.



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Posted 04 June 2014 - 10:41 PM

when my wife got her first visa to China she had to send in her Chinese passport. When they sent her the visa they returned her Chinese passport intact, no void stamps or holes punched.  On her last visit to China she didn't send her Chinese passport.  As far as I know it's still valid.



#11 yuehan123

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Posted 05 June 2014 - 01:16 PM

To answer Lee's questions, in a reverse sort of order-

 

After becoming a US citizen, the first time a Chinese Visa is requested for a 'new' US Passport, the 'old' Chinese Passport must be submitted.  In every case, but one, that I know of, the Chinese Passport has been returned unusable.

 

I have yet to learn of a 'documented' case where a local ID was confiscated from a US Citizen.

 

However, as for a naturalized Chinese National now a US citizen travelling on a Chinese Passport, I can only report that  as Randy shared, it is impossible. At least for my wife.  Note that although not shown, the passport front cover page has ben cut and the page shown has been cut and stamped "cancelled."

 

edit- well, it beats me.  I am unable to insert, paste or otherwise get the page to show up even though it shows in the initial 'reply'

 

 

When I took the bus from Hong Kong to Guangzhou some years ago, one fellow did not rejoin the bus on the Chinese side of the border. Why?

 

He had more than one passport in his possesion and that fact was discovered during the Customs search.


Edited by yuehan123, 05 June 2014 - 01:19 PM.



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