Dan R

I do think this particularly extra time is an odd place to put it... They could of given VOs more interview time.. but here, they still must make their decision in the 5-7 minutes allotted. One would hope that they don't take the idiotic step of issuing more pink slips, so they can use the 3 days to review in more detail the case. I am taking this as a good thing. By removing visa pickup from the Consulate they would be freeing up staff that may be shifted to translate for interviews. Thus our hope for more VO's may be answered. Also after dealing with GUZ for so long who would you want controlling the passport? Dear old Guz or the Chinese Post Office? THe next positive thing I can think of is that our SO's don't have to go back to the Consulate a second time. Besides they haven't said anything about a procedure for holding visas after approval. So it is my hope this means it is ended. Once they say pass you can weaqr a pink slip, it would seem that is it, since it will be stamped and handed over to the PO. If this is the case we should all sigh with relief. THat would make a pink slip the end of the road after which they have no way to fool with us anymore.

That sounds like a really good way to go. We took refuge in a bathroom supply mall in Foshan during a thunderstorm and they had the most incredible selection of natural stone tiles of every color, type of stone, etc. And all highly polished so that the clumsy American can kill himself more easily after wifey leaves her usual deluge in the bathroom... Thanks Roger, That hearty laugh I just enjoyed lifted the headache and revitalized me. I only laughed because I thought the same thing when I was in China. I don't know what will happen with our non-draining floors here. Who me worry...I have an old house with all wood floors...yes even the bathrooms... Wifey is going to have to adjust...after all I am the boss... aren't I... That's a good one You're the boss Best one I've heard all day.

That sounds like a really good way to go. We took refuge in a bathroom supply mall in Foshan during a thunderstorm and they had the most incredible selection of natural stone tiles of every color, type of stone, etc. And all highly polished so that the clumsy American can kill himself more easily after wifey leaves her usual deluge in the bathroom... Thanks Roger, That hearty laugh I just enjoyed lifted the headache and revitalized me. I only laughed because I thought the same thing when I was in China. I don't know what will happen with our non-draining floors here.

I've looked at apartments under construction. During the construction phase you have the option of getting it finished or taking a good discount and having the interior done as you want. I like that idea because then I can have all the kitchen and bathroom drains done with S traps on them to reduce odors. Also with cheap labor and materials you can make a really fancy bathroom.

This is private industry. I'm salaried so it is hard to say what part of my day the pay for.

Maybe that was Roger that told me then. Sorry, I didn't sleep last night and have been working 8 hours with 4 more to go. I have a headache.

From what you posted I guess they don't have everything worked out yet and they will be instructing as they go. Someplace I saw that it would be the third day rather than next day now. But I can't remember where that was. We need someone who got the interview yesterday or today to see what is happening.

Ok so the white slip is now a pink slip (somebody must have a sense of humor there giving out pink slips)? Can someone sneak over to the girls site and find out the colors used now. Also I messaged my SO to get the lucky white outfit to where to the interview. I guess this changes everything. We need a liaison who can report back. Forget the SO forum we need an intersite committee to plan stategies. Seriously does anyone know all the changes going on. King gave a clear explanation of the pick up change. What else is there?

Steve check the posts. I'm in P-4 heaven. I found out from DOS when they opened this morning.

Congratulations!!!!! What a CFL week we are having.

They told us the green card could take anywhere from 1 to 11 months... Im sure glad there not sticking there neck out to far to be more precise---they might get a bad name!!!!! aw the keyboard probably only has the 1 working. Be glad it wasn't a higher number ie 2-22, 3-33

Hey J where were you when we needed you in our battle against the sheepish shepherders? Surely you support the Horny Goats.

Woohoo WOOHOO miaaaa miaaaa Woohoo Great news Roger! We'll have a drink and toast it in L.A. GET ME TO THE CHURCH ON TIME I'm getting married in the morning! Ding dong! The bells are gonna chime. Pull out the stopper! Let's have a whopper! But get me to the church on time! I gotta be there in the mornin' Spruced up and lookin' in me prime. Girls, come and kiss me; Show how you'll miss me. But get me to the church on time! If I am dancin' Roll up the floor. If I am whistlin' Whewt me out the door! For I'm gettin' married in the mornin' Ding dong! the bells are gonna chime. Kick up an rumpus But don't lost the compass; And get me to the church, Get me to the church, For Gawd's sake, get me to the church on time! I'm getting married in the morning Ding dong! the bells are gonna chime. Drug me or jail me, Stamp me and mail me. But get me to the church on time! I gotta be there in the morning Spruced up and lookin' in me prime. Some bloke who's able Lift up the table, And get em to the church on time! If I am flying Then shoot me down. If I am wooin', Get her out of town! For I'm getting married in the morning! Ding dong! the bells are gonna chime. Feather and tar me; Call out the Army; But get me to the church. Get me to the church... Get me to the church on time! Starlight is reelin' home to bed now. Mornin' is smearin' up the sky. London is wakin'. Daylight is breakin'. Good luck, old chum, Good health, goodbye. I'm gettin' married in the mornin' Ding dong! the bells are gonna chime... Hail and salute me Then haul off and boot me... And get me to the church, Get me to the church... Get me to the church on time! Ok let's first get you to the airport,

Well Frank, you tell that famous dude who lives near Nashville that I'm the boss in this area. He's likley a goat herder anyway. OH, and Nashville is only 128 miles from Choo Choo town!! How many stops from Chattanooga? CHATTANOOGA CHOO CHOO Glenn Miller - from "Sun Valley Serenade" - words by Mack Gordon, music by Harry Warren Pardon me, boy Is that the Chattanooga choo choo? Track twenty-nine Boy, you can gimme a shine I can afford To board a Chattanooga choo choo I've got my fare And just a trifle to spare You leave the Pennsylvania Station 'bout a quarter to four Read a magazine and then you're in Baltimore Dinner in the diner Nothing could be finer Than to have your ham an' eggs in Carolina When you hear the whistle blowin' eight to the bar Then you know that Tennessee is not very far Shovel all the coal in Gotta keep it rollin' Woo, woo, Chattanooga there you are There's gonna be A certain party at the station Satin and lace I used to call "funny face" She's gonna cry Until I tell her that I'll never roam So Chattanooga choo choo Won't you choo-choo me home? Chattanooga choo choo Won't you choo-choo me home?

Well Frank, you tell that famous dude who lives near Nashville that I'm the boss in this area. He's likley a goat herder anyway. OH, and Nashville is only 128 miles from Choo Choo town!! Now can't we all just be friends? The Shepherd And The Goatman [Andrew Carnes] The Shepherd and the goatman should be friends Oh, the Shepherd and the goatman should be friends One man likes to push a buck The other likes to chase a sheep But that's no reason why they cain't be friends Territory folks should stick together Territory folks should all be pals Shepherds dance with Goatman'ss daughters Goatmen dance with the shepherd's gals [All] Territory folks should stick together Territory folks should all be pals Shepherds dance with Goatman's daughters Goatmen dance with the Shepherd's gals [Andrew] I'd like to say a word for the Shepherd, He come out west and made a lot of changes [Will] He come out west and built a lot of fences [Curly] And built 'em right acrost our goat ranges! [Andrew] The Shepherd is a good and thrifty citizen No matter what the goatman says or thinks You seldom see him drinkin' in a barroom [Curly] Unless somebody else is buying drinks! [Andrew] The Shepherd and the goatman should be friends Oh, the shepherd and the goatman should be friends The goatman ropes a ewe with ease The shepherd steals her butter and cheese But that's no reason why they cain't be friends [All] Territory folks should stick together Territory folks should all be pals Goatmen dance with shepherd's daughters Shepherds dance with the goatmen's gals [Aunt Eller] I'd like to say a word for the goatman The road he treads is difficult and stony He rides for days on end With jist a pony for a friend [Ado Annie] I sure am feelin' sorry fer the pony! [Aunt Eller] The shepherd should be sociable with the goatman If he rides by and asks for food and water Don't treat him like a louse Make him welcome in yer house [Andrew] But be sure that you lock up yer wife and daughter! (fight breaks loose, Aunt Eller fires a gun and everyone freezes) [Aunt Eller] Ain't nobody gonna slug out anythin'. Sing it Andrew! (Points gun at Carnes) Dum- didy-dum-dum-dum! [Andrew] The shepherd and the goatman should be friends [Added voices] Oh, the shepherd and the goatman should be friends [All] One man likes to push a ewe The other likes to chase a goat But that's no reason why they can't be friends [Aunt Eller] I'd like to teach you all a little sayin' And learn the words by heart the way you should I don't say I'm no better than anybody else But I'll be damned if I ain't jist as good! [All] I don't say I'm no better than anybody else But I'll be damned if I ain't jist as good! Territory folks should stick together Territory folks should all be pals Shepherds dance with goatman's daughters Goatmen dance with the shepherds' gals! My deepest apologies to Rogers & Hammerstein

Welcome Todd! Join us in the Official Visa Waiting Room. You have come to the right place. Most of us are going through Guangzhou but there may be someone witth Hong Kong info. Just a guess but I would think it would be faster than the 11-14 month wait that Guangzhou has been doing recently. What visa are you doing? How about more info for us to gossip about. Many of us have already spilled our guts to the regret of some of the rest of us. Browse the forums and use the links and resources, lots of useful stuff there. I've found the people here to be helpful and supportive as well as once in awhile a pain in the neck. But hey we're a community. By the way that's an interesting name your SO has. What does it mean in English? Well get comfy, settle in and there is plenty of good reading here in the waiting room.. I mean CFL. THe Black Goat of CFL (so guys should I adopt a new monicker?)

Congratulations! It seems the next round of P-4s for June are coming out. This is the group I've expected to be in. Ok P-4 come to baba.

That is why they focus on developing high tech better life better pay jobs like India has done. The big difference between China and the U.S. is they have a larger number of poorly educated poor people to continue drawing on before they need to import labor. All industrial nations have depended on the farm boys for a labor pool as the country shifts from rural farm to city industry. Once the supply dwindles (as it already did in U.S., Japan and Western Europe) you must import workers from countries that are still agricultural or failed to provide employment for large numbers. China will need to balance increased education to supply a better educated population for upward mobility while keeping an adequate labor pool and not leaving behind a large peasant class or muslim minority that could be the next revolutionaries. This must all be done while securing resources in competition with the U.S., Europe and Japan/South Korea or developing a whole new industry of renewable resources. TTHe next 10 years should be fascinating!

Wasn't the East Station the one where people have had problems lately?

Now that's practical use of TCM

James, nice point ! but that only covers half of the couples in San Francisco. (yes, my half) um... not sure we can submit an I-129F or I-130 for same sex... Dui Dui, federal regulation prohibits that for now. If they legalize same sex marriage that would automatically affect the visa laws as well as many others. I wonder how they will conduct the interviews to prevent visa fraud at that point. A VO could face charges if descriminating because of gender discrimination.

Thanks Jon. That's great news. I'll check with DOS in the morning.

Michael traditional Chinese massage is done fully clothed. I think you may be thinking of other traditional services that a man is entitled to so as to remain healthy. Actually it was prohibited for a doctor to look at a women's body so they had ivory carvings of a woman lying nude for her to point to the place that hurt. For pulse reading the woman would be behind a curtain and stick her wrist out from it for the doctor to feel. This preserved modesty and face. I had a few massages in China.. Always seemed to me to be less about a pleasureable time lying down, than to an experiment in pain tolerance. They really work the muscles hard, and one feels like they just got out of bar room brawl. I am sure that they differ greatly.. maybe people in Baoding just like it hard... Sounds like you may have had the Anma test. Anma is painful pressure while Tuina is more about moving energy and lymph for toxic release. Of course acupressure is used at some point in all treatments just to see if you still have feelings B) Traditional foot massage which has become reflexology here is a very painful experience both in China and Japan if done properly It is surprising how it can cause you to kick with the free foot or ask for a bullet to bite but later you feel great.

Michael traditional Chinese massage is done fully clothed. I think you may be thinking of other traditional services that a man is entitled to so as to remain healthy. Actually it was prohibited for a doctor to look at a women's body so they had ivory carvings of a woman lying nude for her to point to the place that hurt. For pulse reading the woman would be behind a curtain and stick her wrist out from it for the doctor to feel. This preserved modesty and face.

Mark I think the device you mention is a combination of Cupping and acupuncture/acupressure. Does it have a pump to pull a vacuum against the skin to pull up the skin against the point that does the pressure. Or does it just push the point against the skin?